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je voulais répondre sur la question d'urgence parce que tu as raison c'est mais il y a aussi si je peux me permettre une question un peu politique au sens au sens de la stratégie politique c'est vrai que on était dans un moment en 2020 où il fallait parler de l'urgence parce qu'on était dans un il fallait qu'on secoue un peu le cocotier qu'on qu'on capte l'attention qu'on dise aux gens eh réveillez-vous là il faut changer justement de paradigme et parler d'urgence c'était une façon de commencer à installer alors je sais pas si c'est que du vocabulaire ou et aussi de la grammaire mais il fallait il fallait changer d'approche maintenant pour moi c'est plus du tout ça continue à parler d'urgence alors qu'en plus à Strasbourg comme à Lyon hein ça fait 6 ans qu'on est en responsabilité les gens se disant mais qu'est-ce qu'ils ont foutu j'ai ils nous ont parlé d'urgence on est encore dans l'urgence enfin à quoi ça sert de les avoir mis au pouvoir bon non je pense que de toute façon la question elle est pas celle de l'urgence aujourd'hui climatique en fait je parle là encore une fois politiquement dans la réalité bien sûr qu'elle est toujours là mais la question c'est ce que tu évoquais Olivier aujourd'hui ce qui va être pour moi l'univers 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